Ivan Denisov wrote:
Why you think that I am suggesting such a hell?
As I said:
if you are not only studying but also working at a university, and I assume you work in a field related to software development, then there is no way that you can ignore basic concepts like analysis of needs and technical analysis the way you do. This would speak of a level of not understanding software development of whole systems. And I fail to believe that. So, there must be a logical reason why you act the way you do, and the only thing I can think of is that your goal for blackboxframework.org must be something totally different from what the rest of the center wants.
Ivan Denisov wrote:
The question is that, because of this professionalism you think that around you all fools? No?
No. I make my opinion about people not because of what I am, but because of how they act. I will only think someone to be a fool, if
he acts the part. And I give everybody the benefit of the doubt. That's why I was dilligently searching for a mindset, a logical reason why you act the way you do, exactly because I do not want to believe that you are a fool! But instead of explaining, you started insulting me and my professional expertise. And you already knew about it, because I wrote it all on the OMI-BB-list, and you answered to that back then! So, yours could not have been a friendly question, but only a personal attack. I had exactly no chance to interprete your rude and impertinent question in any other way, though I tried. Especially, since I tried my best to be polite and even friendly, and I do believe my post was a constructive part of the discussion - trying to find out where our visions digress to produce such different attitudes and way of acting, without having to fall back to the explanation you used against me: "It seems, you do not know what you are talking about".
Also, with OberonCore for instance, there is no such problem. We discuss our differences, and there were those, and then we find a common, professional solution. Also with Peter K, I had exactly zero problem confessing that he was right and I was wrong. So, I've already proven that I do not believe to be surrounded by fools here on this forum.
Yet, I do not understand your behavior and thinking. It's so foreign and so far away from my logic (please understand this in a post-modern way! I believe that my logic is surely not the only, or necessarily the "right" logic! This in no way is intended as an insult!), that I constantly wonder what's going on in your mind (please don't mistake this is for a thoughtless insult, or an insult at all, but rather as a thought process on my part), and I just can't figure it out. And over the weeks, I got the feeling that you simply do not care for others to understand you, your motives and your thoughts. In a team, no matter, if it's a volunteer team or a pay-work team, this would be bad news. There can be no team work without exchange that cares to understand and be understood.
Ivan Denisov wrote:
If I thought so, what for did I make such forum? Collected PayPal donations? And trying to drive the collective discussions? Initiate votings? For ONE main line of development!
Honestly, it was the only way that came up in a few weeks of thinking hard about your actions, your motives and your methods, that could give me any hint of an explanation about you.
Your rush to "start doing now, don't think, don't discuss. Just vote, vote, vote, next topic" fits very well with the needs of paradigm 1.
You say paradigm 1 is "hell". The only problem I see with P1 is, that it cannot be done! It just doesn't work. But set aside this concern and consider P1 a few moments longer. Consider it in a way as if you had to defend that paradigm against yourself.
There
is a certain logic behind paradigm 1, and once you accept the logic, you need a website, you need a repository, you need a forum, you need collections, and you need them
now. Technical solutions are then by far more important than analysis of needs, discussion of standards, a white paper and so on. And that's how you've been acting the last weeks.
It is not
in spite of your actions that I came up with P1 as probably your paradigm, but
becauseof them. If you take the time to explain your thinking to me, then I will understand you. But as you did not explain, I had to come up with an explanation of my own. The explanation I found is obviously wrong, so I'm back to not understanding you. ;-(
I hope that you don't see this as a lecture again, but rather as my trial to give you opportunity to understand me, instead of wondering about my thoughts and coming to wrong conclusions.
This ONE can be then the base for
not "center" projects and are not connected with BLACKBOXFRAMEWORK.ORG. However "center" can support the platform for discussion, development and distribution of branch projects.[/quote]